POI Rankings 2009-2010
California
2009-2010
Team Rankings
1. Bishop O’Dowd AD (Carey Appeldorn & Kate Drew) 41.2
(2) Niraj Asthana (James Logan) 37.25
2. James Logan AM (Niraj Asthana & Ben Mabie) 36.05
3. Bentley MB (Annie McKenna & Logan Brog) 34.45
(4). Brian Qiu (Lowell) 28.35
(4). Gary Nielsen (Granite Bay) 28.25
4. Lowell AQ (Jason Alafgani & Brian Qiu) 27.95
5. Mira Loma AL (Vrinda Agarwal & Justin Lin) 27.55
6. Granite Bay ON (Matt O’Brien & Gary Nielsen) 27.35
(7). Ritik Malhotra (Lynbrook) 26.5
(7). Iain Lampert (Cleveland) 26.15
7. Campbell Hall BG (Sam Brodey & Jordan Gary) 25.65
8. Los Gatos VE (Robert Van Unen & Kate Epstein) 25
9. Lynbrook MN (Ritik Malhotra & Tejas Navaratra) 24.4
(10). Akshay Shrivastava (MVLA) 23.55
10. Carlsbad GM (Sam Gardner & Natasha Maldi) 22.75
(11). Abhishek Venkataramana (Saratoga) 21.3
(11). Charles Bell (Sanger) 21.25
11. Bishop O’Dowd PV (Miles Pember & Rebecca Vastola) 20.75
12. Claremont MW (Dan Musa & Patrick Wilkie) 20.25
13. Lynbrook JY (Aakriti Jain & Vincent Yu) 19.5
14. Lynbrook SS (Carl Shan & Pargat Singh) 19.3
15. Sanger BK (Charles Bell & Lauren Kelly) 18.65
(16). Austin Doan (El Modena) 18.25
16. MVLA SS (Rylan Schaeffer & Akshay Shrivastava) 17.85
17. Cleveland/Valencia HL (Iain Lampert & Nick Hall) 17.6
17. La Costa Canyon CZ (Brian Castelloe & Reza Zammarodian) 17.6
17. Saratoga VM (Abhishek Venkataramana & Vijay Menon) 17.6
20. Campbell Hall WS (Matt Walla & Ryan Samii) 17.3
21. Lodi BG (Jacob Baumbach & Josh Gums) 17.25
(21). Michael Song (Leland) 17.25
22. PV Peninsula NT (Alex Nguyen & Jocelyn Tang) 16.95
(23). Cleveland LM (Iain Lampert & Molly Moran) 16.6
(23). Alice Lin (Lynbrook) 16.6
(23). Matt Gordon (St. Mary’s) 16.6
(23). Aubrey Miller (St. Mary’s) 16.6
23. Carter DJ (Matthew Delgado & Matthew Jobe) 16.55
(23). Erik Camacho (James Logan) 16.55
24. La Quinta BR (Britney Boiko & Armando Robles) 15.95
(25). Benjamin Morris (Mira Loma) 15.9
(25). James Harding (Athenian) 15.9
25. San Marino WJ (Oscar Wang & Sonia Jain) 15.6
26. Lynbrook UK (Rohit Unni & Vikram Kanth) 15.4
(27). David Kramer (Athenian) 15.3
27. Bellarmine PH (Anthony Paranzino & Ali Hazrati) 14.7
(28). Karthik Annaamalai (Saratoga) 14.6
(28). Diana Li (Mira Loma) 14.55
(28). Ishaan Gupta (Granite Bay) 13.65
(28). Kelsey White (Centennial) 13.525
28. Saratoga AJ (Karthik Annaamalai & Rishabh Jethanandani) 13.4
(29). Keizra Mecklai (Mira Loma) 13.35
29. Windsor NJ (Brenda Nelson & Amy Jeffrey) 13
30. Athenian HK (James Harding & David Kramer) 12.7
30. Independence VL (Ankit Vyas & David Lauzon) 12.7
30. Livermore HB (Julie Herman & Matt Burris) 12.7
30. St. Mary’s GM (Matt Gordon & Aubrey Miller) 12.7
34. Mira Loma LM (Diana Li & Benjamin Morris) 12.4
(35). Jason Fauss (Windsor) 12.2
(35). Gurleen Virk (Sanger) 12.1
35. San Marino LP (Charles Lin & Hank Pin) 11.8
36. Lynbrook LT (Alice Lin & Belinda Tang) 11.75
37. Windsor CL (Jakob Christensen & Cameron Lane) 11.7
(37). Rachel Deghuee (Leland) 11.7
(37). Safeena Mecklai (Mira Loma) 11.7
39. Lynbrook MB (Aditya Majumdar & Indranil Bora) 11.35
39. Leland OS (Robert Ott & Michael Song) 10.9
39. Windsor FJ (Jason Fauss & Jonathan Jeffrey) 10.9
(41). Wonchan Yi (Leland) 10.85
41. Cupertino KM (Anthony Kao & Akaash Mungale) 10.8
41. El Modena DK (Austin Doan & Bobby Konoske) 10.8
(43). Brianna Krong (Notre Dame) 10.1
(43). MVLA SG (Akshay Shrivastava & Andrew Gilley) 10
(43). Keerti Shukla (Saratoga) 9.9
43. James Logan CN (Erik Camacho & Scott Nicholson) 9.8
(43). Pradhan Bhat (Granite Bay) 9.8
(43). Nikhil Maheshwari (Saratoga) 9.8
44. La Quinta TN (Rachel Traina-Grandon & Kristin Nelson) 9.75
(44). Shiran Sukumar (James Logan) 9.75
45. Chaminade RC (Priya Rajan & Neeraj Chandra) 9
(45). El Modena DY (Austin Doan & Jeff York) 9
46. Centennial MW (Brian Murphy & Kelsey White) 8.9
46. Esperanza YK (Lynn Yu & Sharon Kong) 8.9
46. Sanger VP (Gurleen Virk & Dylan Picazo) 8.9
46. Windward OK (Griffin Owens & Grant Klein) 8.9
50. Granite Bay GW (Ishaan Gupta & Stacey Wong) 8.85
50. Analy TR (Ryan Taylor-Davis & Nate Rosen) 8.85
52. Foothill Tech FH (Karen Fox & Bryan Hickman) 8.8
52. Lynbrook YR (Elliot Young & Anjana Rao) 8.8
(52). Storm Dowd-Lukesh (Claremont) 8.8
(54). Daniel Mather (Athenian) 8.15
54. CLASH CG (Trenton Cressy & Krista Guardino) 8
54. Frontier CG (Lance Castillo & Olivia Garrison) 8
54. Gabrielino BS (Matt Basa & ? Singleton) 8
54. La Costa Canyon KD (Damon Karson & Katherine Dwyer) 8
54. Leland YR (Wonchan Yi & Ayushi Roy) 8
(54). Marshfield EM (Logan Emlet & Will Moriarty) 8
(54). Saratoga SV (Keerti Shukla & Abhishek Venkataramana) 8
59. Valencia WN (Jacob Waschak & Josh Nemiroff) 7.9
(59). Daryl Chang (Saratoga) 7.9
(60). Lynbrook LL (Alice Lin & Betty Liu) 7.8
60. Oaks Christian PM (Cody Phillips & Justin Matthews) 7.8
(60). Ashwin Subramanian (Granite Bay) 7.8
61. Bentley (Geanine Chong & Ozzie Allenberg) 7
61. Cleveland AC (Kevin Amirdjanian & Will Craft) 7
61. La Jolla HG (Yume Hoshijima & Benjamin Gammage) 7
(61). Lynbrook MM (Ritik Malhotra & Akshay Maheshwari) 7
61. Rancho Bernardo KK (Paras Kumar & Ankit Kumar) 7
61. Stockdale RM (Alyssa Romanini & Rheanna Morones) 7
66. Carlsbad FL (Stefan Fan & Jerry Lou) 6.9
66. Valencia GP (Jacob Gerstel & Alex Patel) 6.9
68. Irvington PA (Sahil Pandya & Rohan Agarwal) 6.85
68. La Quinta AN (Anastasia Al Sarabi & Daniel Norton-Luna) 6.85
68. Lowell TO (Thomas Tu & Alison Ong) 6.85
68. Monroe MR (Mark Montellana & Mina Rizk) 6.85
(68). Alexandra Lee (Leland) 6.85
(68). Natasha Khan (Lowell) 6.85
72. Bellarmine KB (Tanay Kothari & Jacob Baker) 6
72. CLASH LS (Gavin Landgraf & Jamie Silva) 6
72. Gunn KL (Pamudh Kariyahasam & Jim Li) 6
(72). Granite Bay BG (Pradhan Bhat & Ishaan Gupta) 6
72. Irvington NB (Akshay Narayan & Raul Bhatia) 6
(72). James Logan CA (Erik Camacho & Niraj Asthana) 6
72. Leland DL (Rachel Deghuee & Samuel Lin) 6
(72). Leland SD (Michael Song & Rachel Deghuee) 6
72. Leland AP (Nicholas Polussa & Tatsuya Araki) 6
72. Mira Loma MM (Safeena Mecklai & Keizra Mecklai) 6
(72). Mira Loma MM (Benjamin Morris & Safeena Mecklai) 6
72. Oaks Christian DM (Shelby Drake & Connor Mason) 6
72. Saratoga MC (Nikhil Maheshwari & Daryl Chang) 6
(72). St. Mary’s GM (Matt Gordon & Wanjiku Muhire) 6
(72). St. Mary’s PM (Nico Perrino & Aubrey Miller) 6
72. Valencia MF (Sam Munster & Derek Feraldo) 6
72. West Campus MP (Dominic Meroux & Jacob Peters) 6
(72). Athenian MH (Daniel Mather & James Harding) 5.9
83. Notre Dame KK (Maggie Kane & Brianna Krong) 5.9
(83). Cooper Krings (Campbell Hall) 5.9
(83). Centennial LW (Brandon Louey & Kelsey White) 5.5
83. Claremont YD (Pranay Yeturu & Storm Dowd-Lukesh) 5
83. Granite Bay DW (Alex DeMarco & Alex Wagner) 5
(83). James Logan CU (Erik Camacho & Keeret Uppal) 5
83. Los Osos JR (Sarah Jiang & Aisha Razzak) 5
(83). Lynrook LJ (Alice Lin & Chinmay Jaju) 5
(83). Mira Loma LM (Diana Li & Keizra Mecklai) 5
(83) Notre Dame KV (Brianna Krong & Prerana Vaddi) 5
83. Oxford Academy CC (Steve Criss & Ronald Cervantes) 5
83. Sanger AL (Breeana Alvarado & Simran Litt) 5
83. Sanger ML (Cory Massey & Carmen Leso) 5
83. St. Francis CA (Jackie Connor & Aditi Asthana) 5
83. University CH (Shawn Cheng & Kayvon Hosseini) 5
83. Valley Christian LT (Andrew Luu & Jessica Terry) 5
(92). Lorien Giles (Athenian) 4.9
(92). Athenian KI (David Kramer & Matthew Iannone) 4
92. Bentley WB (Julia Wang & Steven Babiak) 4
92. Bishop O’Dowd CD (Peter Counts & Kevin Daley) 4
92. Campbell Hall TK (Alexandra Tashman & Cooper Krings) 4
(92). Claremont DH (Storm Dowd-Lukesh & Johny Huynh) 4
92. CLASH MR (Philip Mayer & Bob Rose) 4
92. Delta Charter SO (Kallie Stoker & Meghan O’Brien) 4
92. Granite Bay BS (Pradhan Bhat & Ashwin Subramanian) 4
(92). Granite Bay SH (Ashwin Subramanian & Kevin Hollingshead) 4
92. Irvington KM (Ramya Kaushiki & Fahad Manzur) 4
92. James Logan SS (Jeremy Sharma & Shiran Sukumar) 4
(92). James Logan CS (Erik Camacho & Shiran Sukumar) 4
92. Leland RL (Melody Rasouli & Alexandra Lee) 4
92. Leland LM (Kalvin Lee & Kunal Mehta) 4
92. Lowell KR (Natasha Khan & Phillip Raucci) 4
92. Lynbrook AY (Sarthak Angal & Robert Ying) 4
92. Lynbrook YV (Ruicong Yan & Karthik Viswanathan) 4
92. Lynbrook LK (Lillian Li & Mounika Kandalam) 4
92. Mira Loma NL (Shinjini Nunna & Jeff Leibenhaut) 4
(92). Mira Loma MM (Benjamin Morris & Keizra Mecklai) 4
92. Monte Vista ZW (Jason Zhao & Kyle Weiss) 4
92. Oxford Academy TG (Allen Tran & Gurcharan Gill) 4
(92). Sanger VB (Gurleen Virk & Charles Bell) 4
92. Sanger MM (Caroline McDonald & Madeline Martinez) 4
92. Saratoga GS (Anoop Galivanche & Anshu Sirapurapu) 4
(92). Saratoga AM (Karthik Annaamalai & Nikhil Maheshwari) 4
92. West Campus HB (Kristi Hancock & Cassie Barker) 4
92. Wilcox VC (Tushaar Venkateswaran & Jeremy Chan) 4
92. Windward OD (Hunter Owens & David Dworsky) 4
114. Monroe WM (Rachel Wing & Sarah Martellaro) 3.9
114. Analy NW (Mariah Noah & Alia Williams) 3
114. Athenian GL (Lorien Giles & Andrew Lee) 3
114. Athenian MM (Daniel Mather & Tyler Mullen) 3
114. Centennial SC (Grant Stanton & Carson Crawford) 3
114. Chino Hills GR (Sahib Grewal & Brandon Rivera) 3
114. Garces GW (Rocio Guerrero & Tommy Wilson) 3
(114). Granite Bay CN (Alexa Crawford & Gary Nielsen) 3
114. Gunn FF (Lizhi Fan & Sierra Fan) 3
(114). James Logan SG (Shiran Sukumar & Inder Grewal) 3
(114) Leland YP (Wonchan Yi & Sam Pandey) 3
(114) Leland SL (Michael Song & Alexandra Lee) 3
114. Lowell ML (Julian Manasse-Boetani & Philip Li) 3
(114). Lowell KC (Natasha Khan & Daffany Chan) 3
114. Lynbrook CR (Sidarth Conjeevaram & Harish Rajaram) 3
(114). Mira Loma CM (Aninda Chowdhury & Benjamin Morris) 3
114. MVLA SS (Sushmita Sridhar & Elise Sugarman) 3
114. Polytechnic DS (Jane Davidson & Pate Sanders) 3
114. Santa Rosa RG (Alan Ramey & Sara Gardner-Heart) 3
114. SOCES SM (Cameron Silverberg & David McPeek) 3
114. Valencia SS (Iryka Smeke & Erin Smith) 3
114. Valley Christian LT (Eugene Lee & Sashank Tatipamula) 3
129. Analy DB (Mitch Davis & Duncan Brown) 2
129. Arroyo Grande ML (Weston Mangin & Marshall Lodge) 2
129. Arroyo Grande PH (Spencer Ponce & Mike Hyland) 2
(129). Athenian GL (Lorien Giles & Michaela Lee) 2
(129). Campbell Hall KB (Cooper Krings & Tim Bradbury) 2
129. Delta Charter AH (Kyle Abercrombie & William Hanson) 2
129. Fairmont BW (Ranvir Bajwa & Daniel Winget) 2
129. Hart KY (Gayne Kalustian & Hyejeong Yoon) 2
129. Mira Loma SB (Susan Shen & Farah Billah) 2
129. Monterey Trail SL (Tyler Steen & Vikash Lal) 2
129. Oaks Christian BW (Mark Borowski & Ryan Waller) 2
129. Oxford Academy FP (Candace Frazier & Judy Park) 2
129. Pioneer HJ (Will Herms & Holten Joerger) 2
129. Ponderosa HD (Stephen Hyden & Patrick Donovan) 2
129. Redlands East Valley DD (Kory Delgado & Brittany Ducca) 2
129. Redlands East Valley LZ (Paul Land & Daren Zhang) 2
(129). Saratoga SC (Keerti Shukla & Daryl Chang) 2
129. Sonoma Academy GB (Cal Gallegos & Elliot Butterfield) 2
(129). Windsor FY (Jason Fauss & Kelsey Young) 2
Club Rankings
1. Lynbrook (CFL) 157
2. Bishop O’Dowd (GGSA) 103
3. Mira Loma (Sacro) 79
4. Bentley (GGSA) 77
5. James Logan (GGSA) 75
6. Granite Bay (Sacro) 62
7. Lowell (GGSA) 62
8. Saratoga (CFL) 59
9. Campbell Hall (TCFL) 55
10. Leland (CFL) 51
11. Sanger (SoValley) 46
12. Carlsbad (SDIVSL) 42
13. Windsor (GGSA) 41
14. Claremont (CBSR) 37
15. Los Gatos (CFL) 35
16. La Quinta (CBSR) 34
17. Valencia (TCFL) 33
18. Cleveland (TCFL) 33
19. MVLA (CFL) 32
20. Athenian (GGSA) 31
21. San Marino (SCDL) 28
22. La Costa Canyon (SDIVSL) 26
23. St. Mary’s (YFL) 25
24. Bellarmine (CFL) 21
25. Carter (CBSR) 21
26. El Modena (OCSL) 20
27. CLASH (CFL) 18
28. La Costa Canyon (SDIVSL) 18
28. PV Peninsula (WBFL) 18
30. Irvington (GGSA) 17
31. Oaks Christian (TCFL) 16
32. Centennial (SoValley) 15.5
33. Lodi BG (YFL) 15
34. Analy (GGSA) 14
35. Windward (WBFL) 13
36. Independence (SoValley) 13
36. Livermore (GGSA) 13
38. Oxford Academy (OCSL) 11
39. Monroe (TCFL) 11
40. Notre Dame (CFL) 11
41. Cupertino (CFL) 11
42. West Campus (Sacro) 10
43. Gunn (CFL) 9
44. Esperanza (OCSL) 9
44. Chaminade (TCFL) 9
44. Foothill Tech (TCFL) 9
47. Valley Christian (CFL) 8
48. Frontier (SoValley) 8
48. Gabrielino (SCDL) 8
50. La Jolla 7
50. Rancho Bernardo (SDIVSL) 7
50. Stockdale (SoValley) 7
53. Delta Charter (YFL) 6
54. Los Osos (CBSR) 5
54. St. Francis (CFL) 5
54. University (SoValley) 5
57. Arroyo Grande (TCFL) 4
57. Redlands East Valley (CBSR) 4
59. Monte Vista (GGSA) 4
59. Wilcox (CFL) 4
61. Chino Hills (CBSR) 3
61. Garces (SoValley) 3
61. Polytechnic 3
61. Santa Rosa (GGSA) 3
61. SOCES (TCFL) 3
66. Fairmont (OCSL) 2
66. Hart (TCFL) 2
66. Monterey Trail 2
66. Pioneer (Sacro) 2
66. Ponderosa (Sacro) 2
66. Sonoma Academy 2
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UOP points are added.
Leagues for the School Rankings:
KRFL:
Frontier
Centennial
Garces
Sacto:
Mira Loma
Granite Bay
WBFL:
PV Peninsula
YFL:
Delta Charter
Lodi
Thanks, added
hi im part of rancho bernardo. i didnt know we were ranked, that’s pretty cool haha. rb is part of the SDIVSL
Thanks, edited.
And yea, you break at anything, you’ll pretty much always be ranked.
POI Rankings have been updated to include the recent CLU and Claremont tournaments
CLU: champion-10, finals-7, semis-5, quarters-3
Claremont: champion-13, finals-10, semis-8, quarters-6, 4-1 -5
as always, teams split the points in case of a walkover
team rankings updated!
POI Rankings have been updated through the MLK weekend, barring several corrections. Note that CLU, non-breaking CSULB, and Claremont points have been slightly decreased.
Tentative Rankings Info.
There are 4 invites left at this point: Pepperdine, Stanford, Windsor, and SCU2.
Pepperdine will be Q-4, S-6, F-8, C-11, assuming the field stays under 36 and it breaks to quarters.
Stanford will be O-6, Q-8, S-10, F-12, C-15. If it breaks to doubles, doubles will be 4 points. If it breaks to octas, non-breaking 5-2s will get 5 points.
Windsor will be 2 points for a 3-1, points for 4-0 and finals will depend on field size.
SCU2 and the State Tournament will not count for points this year.
Analy Banana Classic will be included (3-1 2, 4-0 5) if we receive a full results packet.
State qualifiers point values pending.
So quals count, CHSSA doesn’t?
Why don’t SCU 2 and CHSSA state tourney count for end of the year rankings?
Not sure how the “Points by Team” section works, but if this is a sum of individual team points, then I think Windsor’s overall total should be updated to 12.85…the sum of Windsor CL and Windsor NJ. If there is another way club points are assigned, then please ignore this message. BTW…our entire squad loves POI. Thanks for building & maintaining a fun & useful website!
Windsor’s points were calculated, but entered as a 3 instead of a 13. whoops. I’ve updated the post and fixed the problem. Btw school points aren’t adjusted by the individual team formula. Individual teams are judged based on quality and shouldn’t have to pay for not being able to afford the travel expenses to all the tourneys in a state. Schools are judged based on the participation of quality (breaking) teams. yea. I think that was the logic used in determining the system.
@ Ben: that is correct.
Jason is right. My rationale was that quantity – getting a lot of people to join and getting them to go to a lot of tournaments – is a good indicator of club success, whereas quality – doing really well at a few tournaments, not decent at a bunch – is a better indicator of debaters’ success, so Team Rankings have marginally diminishing returns from more tournaments, whereas Club Rankings do not.
The Rankings still have a couple glitches, we’ll fix that soon. Sorry for not keeping some of the stuff (i.e. MLK post) on the site up-to-date, I’ve been really busy recently.
P.S. Thanks to Windsor for the support
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How do individual rankings work?
Exactly like team rankings, except that if you earned points with multiple partners, you get all of them. It’s there so that people who switch partners a lot (i.e. Erik) don’t feel sad.
Anyone know what Stanford is breaking to/how many prelims it’ll have?
5 rounds/octas break will be tough to incorporate into the rankings.
http://www.joyoftournaments.com/ca/stanford/info.asp?p=3
Minimum of five, might go as high as seven.
My coach got an email from the Stanford people and their logic is severely misguided. The original plan was 7 prelims(sat:4, sun:3 plus elim, mon: 4 elim). There were talks of trying to reduce it to 5 prelims and finish on sunday night. Which is still ridiculous because rounds will be going til the red eye hours. I personally support 7 prelims (decreases the chance of bad luck for good teams) and its always nice to not have school.
Last year they had 6 prelims and broke to dubs; I don’t see why they can’t do that again…
Although our octas round ended around 10PM last year, I think they just did the next 3 rounds in the span of 3 or 4 hours like SCU did 2 years ago.
Stanford says that a lot of Parli/Pf coaches are opposed to having Monday elims for P/PF..
Official update*
There were equal amounts of coaches voting for 5 rounds, 6 rounds and 7 rounds. They chose 6 prelim rounds as a compromise. There will be 4 rounds Saturday, 2 rounds Sunday and double octos and quarters. Semis and finals will be on Monday. They will break 4-2 based on adjusted speaks(drop lowest and highest) and then double adjusted speaks and then total.
We’re considering using prelims win percentage as a tiebreaker, the same way NPTE does it. The only problem is that we don’t know whether we would be able to get prelim results from all state qualifier (also, Pepperdine and St. Francis prelims are incomplete). What do you guys think?
Here’s how the top 20 would look with tiebreakers:
1. James Logan AM (Niraj Asthana & Ben Mabie) 26.4, 75% (12-4)
2. Bishop O’Dowd AD (Carey Appeldorn & Kate Drew) 20.6, 92% (11-1)
3. Sanger BK (Charles Bell & Lauren Kelly) 18.65, 75% (6-2)
4. Lowell AQ (Jason Alafgani & Brian Qiu) 17.6, 64% (7-4)
5. Bentley MB (Annie McKenna & Logan Brog) 14.8, 73% (8-3)
6. Lynbrook SS (Carl Shan & Pargat Singh) 14.8, 72% (13-5)
7. Lynbrook MN (Ritik Malhotra & Tejas Navaratra) 12, 80% (4-1)
8. MVLA SS (Rylan Schaeffer & Akshay Shrivastava) 11.8, 83% (10-2)
9. Carlsbad GM (Sam Gardner & Natasha Maldi) 11.75, 100% (8-0)
10. Campbell Hall BG (Sam Brodey & Jordan Gary) 11, 83% (5-1)
11. Cleveland/Valencia HL (Nick Hall & Iain Lampert) 10, 100% (6-0)
12. Granite Bay ON (Matt O’Brien & Gary Nielsen) 10, 100% (5-0)
(13). MVLA SG (Akshay Shrivastava & Andrew Gilley) 10, 60% (3-2)
13. Bishop O’Dowd PV (Miles Pember & Rebecca Vastola) 9.8, 92% (11-1)
14. James Logan CN (Erik Camacho & Scott Nicholson) 9.8, 82% (9-2)
14. Mira Loma LM (Diana Li & Benjamin Morris) 9.8, 82% (9-2)
16. PV Peninsula NT (Alex Nguyen & Jocelyn Tang) 9, 100% (3-0)
17. El Modena DY (Austin Doan & Jeff York) 9, 80% (4-1)
17. Mira Loma AL (Vrinda Agarwal & Justin Lin) 9, 80% (4-1)
19. Frontier CG (Lance Castillo & Olivia Garrison) 8, 100% (3-0)
(20). Saratoga SV (Keerti Shukla & Abhishek Venkataramana) 8, 80% (4-1)
(20). Marshfield EM (Logan Emlet & Will Moriarty) 8, 80% (4-1)
20. Lodi BG (Jacob Baumbach & Josh Gums) 8, 67% (4-2)
20. Saratoga VM (Abhishek Venkataramana & Vijay Menon) 8, 67% (4-2)
Yay undefeated in prelims. Now if only it were the same for breaks
This site is just great by the way.
The purple brainmonster speaks the Truth.
For school rankings La Jolla (with 7 points) is in SDIVSL
The revised top 20 looks right to me. When stanford is added in, will the same scoring system still be used (sliding percentages starting with 100% for best tournament)?
Yes, we will add Pepperdine, Windsor, Stanford to the rankings in a couple days and the same system will be used.
By the way the “reply” function is now disabled.
Rankings are updated. There are a few mistakes they will be fixed tomorrow.
Just curious how many points were awarded for the Windsor Invitational & how this might compare to the smaller tournament at Cal Lutheran? Thx-
Cal Lutheran Q:3, S:5, F: 7, C:10
Windsor: 3-1:2, F:5.5, C:7
So CLU has 15 varsity teams & the champion gets 10 pts while the Windsor Invitational has 23 varsity teams & the champion gets 7 points? No criticism intended as POI points can work however you wish & everyone loves a scoreboard. Thanks for your hard work on this site.
The rankings started out using the percentile system, but moved towards giving more weigh to the number of rounds. Here is the rationale:
CLU had 9 rounds. If it decided to split itself into 3 3-round tourneys (say, 2 prelims plus finals, or just first seed wins), Iain/Nick would still win all of those, and, if the number of rounds did not count, they would get three times as many points, as they won three 15-team tourneys instead of one, even though they debated the same number of rounds and beat out the same teams. Obviously, such system would unfairly discriminate against tournaments with more rounds.
We actually made Windsor points slightly higher than what an average tournament with 4 rounds would get. To compare, a 3-1 at Windsor gets 2 points, same as a 3-0 at CSULB and Monroe.
Hope that helps.
Thanks for explaining. Makes good sense too!
I see 10 and 12 where’s #11?
There it is. perfect
8. Bishop O’Dowd PV (Miles Pember & Rebecca Vastola) 16.3, 83% (10-2)
our prelim record is actually 89% (16-2) we were 5-1 at santa clara, 5-1 stanford, 6-0 at pepperdine
pepperdine prelims can’t be found anywhere, so it would be unfair to include your’s and noone else’s….
That makes sense, except that appeldorn and drew’s record includes pepperdine. We’ve gone to all the same tournaments.
I have the pepperdine prelims, i can email you the documents if you want them
Jason, prelims for Pepperdine can be found on POI, same place as the elims.
Lynbrook MB should have points weighed.
Lynbrook LL should be included.
Lynbrook MM should have 7 points, not 6. Also, it’s a non-authentic team, so the ranks of teams below it should be bumped up.
Granite Bay GW should have points from Stanford.
P.S. any prelims packets would be greatly appreciated, email us at mail@pointofinformation.org , thanks!
I sent them. Let me know if it didn’t work.
got it, thanks
There. Done. (hopefully)
Have you updated using the results from the CBSR qualifiers?
We haven’t added any state qualifiers yet. If anyone has a results packet from their qualifier, please send it our way.
how would we add it, without having it.
http://trivalleysite.yolasite.com/debatequalresults.php
It’s not a packet, per se, but TCFL parli squals results are there.
There’s just one inconsistency re: Campbell Hall SW (Ryan Samii/Matt Walla). They won round 5, but they’re mistabbed as having lost. Disregard that. Everything else is accurate.
I have the bracket results… What else would you need?
The packet only goes up to round 4, so the rds 5-7 bracket would be appreciated. Thanks.