2011-2012 POI National Rankings
Following reflects the rankings after the California state tournament.
Computed using POI’s gradual diminishing return formula ((100% of points from best tournament)+(95% of points from 2nd Best)+(65% of points from 3rd Best)+(30% of 4th Best)+(10% of 5th Best)).
1. Los Gatos SG (Silverman & Gilbert) 49.775
2. Windsor FJ (Fauss & J. Jeffrey) 40.7
(3) A. Carson (Bishop O’Dowd) 39.675
3. Saratoga AC (Agrawal & Chiang) 36.35
(4) Mecklai (Mira Loma) 34.05
4. Bishop ODowd CD (A. Carson & Dierkx) 32.975
(5) Zepeda (Bishop O’Dowd) 32
5. Mira Loma ML (Mecklai & Leibenhaut) 30.55
6. Lincoln BW (Lane Burton & Eliot Woods) 26.575
(7) P. Jeffrey (Windsor) 24.55
7. Bishop ODowd ZV (Zepeda & Vegis) 23.625
8. Redmond WM (Lilianna Wagner & Conor McCue) 23.225
9. Windsor SJ (Steiger & P. Jeffrey) 23.2
10. Windsor FZ (Foster & Ziedrich) 23.1
11. Sierra Canyon HS (Hariz & Shokar) 22.875
12. Lake Oswego KX (Kwartler & Xu) 22.65
13. Bishop ODowd PA (Perl & Accinelli) 22.3
14. Gunn NO (Oyer & Neff) 22.275
15. Evergreen Valley KP (Khan & Park) 21.575
(16) Patel (Valencia) 20.525
16. Leland NW (Nguyen & Wu) 20.2
17. Gunn YA (Ye & Atlas) 20
18. Sprague MO (Jeff Metzger & Devon O’Donnell) 19.925
19. Lincoln LO (Mason Lam & Rose Owen) 19.225
20. Esperanza CC (Chang & Chin) 19.05
(21) Seideman (Bishop O’Dowd) 19.1
(21) Revello (Cleveland) 18.8
21. Santa Rosa BF (Burch & Fields) 18.75
22. Evergreen Valley AV (Vivrekar & Arun) 18.7
23. Redlands KK (Kim & Karpouzis) 18.55
24. Oxford Academy PR (Perdew & Ramirez) 18.45
25. James Enoch MW (Marsh & Walbridge) 17.95
26. Cleveland RT (Revello & Tuchman) 17.9
(27) Dhinakaran (Irvington) 17.87500
27. Notre Dame FV (Furniss & Vaddi) 17.775
28. Peninsula CP (Crossman & Pond) 17.2
29. El Dorado RM (Rapp & Moore) 15.95
30. Cleveland MW (Milfred & Warner) 15.65
30. Southridge NG (Nikong & Graham) 15.65
32. Valencia KP (Khokar & Patel) 15.35
33. Bishop ODowd SW (Seideman & Walsh) 14.975
34. Valencia FS (Faraldo & Savant) 14.75
35. Claremont DY (Dowd-Lukesh & Yeturu) 14.65
35. SOCES KS (Kabir & Silverberg) 14.65
37. Corvallis AM (Allen & Morago) 14.625
38. Dougherty Valley KW (Konath & Wang) 14.575
39. Peninsula GL (Gianvecchio & Lim) 14.475
40. El Modina SB (Steffensen & Burnett) 14.35
41. Leland CY (Chen & Yun) 14.25
42. Oaks Christian BW (Beach & Waller) 14.225
43. Leland KT (Kang & Tseng) 14.2
44. Miramonte TF (Tuemmler & Fehrnstrom) 13.875
45. Lynbrook RY (Ying & Rao) 13.7
46. Ashland PP (Pictin & Preskenis) 13.65
47. Canby BB (Baker & Burt) 13.65
47. Century MV (Mercutio & Van Vleet) 13.65
47. Gresham EK (Ernst & Kennard) 13.65
47. Redmond GY (Gile & Young) 13.65
51. Bishop ODowd CZ (A. Carson & Zepeda) 13.5
51. Los Osos DJ (Daden & Jiang) 13.5
53. Leland HC (Han & Chiu) 13.3
54. Santa Rosa VD (Vonseggern & Delattre) 13.25
55. Legitarius DG (Dhinakaran & Gill) 13.175
56. Centennial HB (Hicks & Brewer) 12.8
56. Monta Vista GZ (Guo & Zimmerman) 12.8
58. Oxford Academy CS (Chaudhary & Sandhoefner) 12.75
59. La Jolla PH (Prasad & Halgren) 12.7
59. Los Osos LG (Long & Guerrieri) 12.7
61. Analy KS (Keegan & Schlutius) 12.225
62. Oxford Academy HK (Hwangbo + Kim) 12.1
62. Sanger TO (Taboada & Oakes) 12.1
64. Lowell CO (Chen & Ong) 11.875
64. Oaks Christian RY (Rebbe & Young) 11.875
66. Analy MD (Mizutani & Dimick) 11.775
67. Ashland CW (Cronin & Walker-Robert) 11.75
67. Bentley RD (Riley & Durant) 11.75
67. South Albany LR (Lehman & Roger) 11.75
67. Tigard JB (Jiang & Bigg) 11.75
71. Leland DS (Deghuee & Sonkowsky) 11.725
71. Milpitas OG (OBrien & Grillo) 11.725
73. Santa Rosa BF (Foote & Beloberk) 11.4
74. Leland LL (Lopez & Lee) 11.275
74. Mountain View LS (Leybzon & Sivaraja) 11.275
76. Lynbrook SV (Sathe & Velamuri) 11.25
77. Bakersfield Christian RT (Riggs & Taylor) 11
77. Bishop ODowd/Mira Loma CM (Carson & Mecklai) 11
77. Polytechnic HS (Harmon & Sanders) 11
77. Wilton JB (Jankowski & Brewer) 11
81. Bandon MW (Maddi & Wiprud) 10.8
81. Cleveland WI (Williams & Ingraham) 10.8
81. Dougherty Valley MP (Mau & Pok) 10.8
81. Granite Bay OH (Ontiveros & Habashi) 10.8
81. Mira Loma OH (Ozdemir & Hakobian) 10.8
81. North Valley SB (Schoenborn & Beairsto) 10.8
81. Sprague BR (Silberman & Ajanovic) 10.8
81. Walnut B (Bhanderi & ?) 10.8
81. West Linn BB (Bosson & Brown) 10.8
81. Westview AA (Apte & Akmal) 10.8
91. Analy LW (Lindenbusch & Williams) 10.75
92. Leland AK (Ahir & Kamat) 10.5
93. Los Gatos FE (Flechsig & Esslinger) 10.25
94. Granite Bay GH (Gupta & Habashi) 10
94. Westview HK (Hudson & Kandaswamy) 10
96. Analy WG (Wilcox & Goldstein) 9.85
97. Peninsula KN (Kumar & Noch) 9.75
98. Clash CK (Clark & Kim) 9.275
99. Narbonne AD (Alquitran & De Guzman) 9
99. Simi Valley/Valencia PD (Patel & Dickey) 9
101. Bullard A (Allen + ?) 8.9
101. Campbell Hall E (Ehrenberg & ?) 8.9
101. Delta Charter S (Sarvey + ?) 8.9
101. Grant’s Pass DS (Dooly & Sherman) 8.9
101. Gresham YC (Yeskes & Cox) 8.9
101. Hermiston HW (Houk & Wilkerson) 8.9
101. La Canada J (Jones & ?) 8.9
101. La Costa Canyon W (W & ?) 8.9
101. La Salle Prep CG (Caster & Granato) 8.9
101. La Quinta E (Easley & ?) 8.9
101. Rex Putnam FG (Farlow & Garza) 8.9
101. San Dieguito B (Borchers & ?) 8.9
101. San Dieguito O (Otillo * ?) 8.9
101. Sheldon RS (Rhoden & Smith) 8.9
101. South RT (Ruben & Tirumala) 8.9
101. Tillamook RH (Rumage & Haenggi) 8.9
101. Leland DL (Deghuee & Luh) 8.5
101. Walnut S (Shah & ?) 8.9
119. Gabrielino SR (Singleton & Rodriguez) 8.5
119. Irvington LM (Lam & Manzur) 8.5
121. Crescent Valley PS (Parron & Steinaurer) 8.325
122. James Logan CC (Chang & Chang) 8.3
123. Foothill BM (Ballmer & Miller) 8
124. Bakersfield Christian B (Bradford & ?) 7
124. Bandon HF (Hill & Fuller) 7
124. Bishop ODowd/Windsor JS (P. Jeffrey & Seideman) 7
124. Campbell Hall CL (Clements & Wilks) 7
124. Clovis East A (Austin & ?) 7
124. Crescent Valley LQ (Liu & Quian) 7
124. Milpitas TZ (Tran & Zahid) 7
124. Rodriguez N (Nojoomi & ?) 7
124. San Marin W (Wang & ?) 7
124. Stockdale J (Johnson & ?) 7
124. Walnut Y (Yeung & ?) 7
124. West Ranch MD (Morgan & Dewey) 7
136. Windsor RS (Roady & Schneider) 6.925
137. Bishop ODowd SZ (Seideman & Zepeda) 6.85
137. Centennial RK (Reed & Kleinman) 6.85
139. Dougherty Valley TZ (Tu & Zhu) 6.5
139. Gabrielino TT (Trinh & Tran) 6.5
139. Granite Bay GH (Gupta & Holzer) 6.5
139. Northwood AS (Ahuja & Shastry) 6.5
139. Notre Dame LA (Lunia & Ahemed) 6.5
139. San Marino WT (Wong & Thai) 6.5
145. Sonoma Academy NS (Noel & Syiek) 6.425
146. Bentley PP (Pracar & Pracar) 6
146. New Canaan AL (Abhi-Raman & Luchs) 6
146. San Marino KT (Khoshanan & Thai) 6
146. Sanger HL (Holquin & Lopez) 6
146. Simi Valley GM (Godoy & Mckinnon) 6
146. Wilton JH (Jensen & Hiestand) 6
152. Dougherty Valley MK (Mahmood & Keefer) 5.925
153. South Eugene LB (Eli Lininger & Alec Bania) 5.5
154. Bishop ODowd CR (A. Carson & Reynes) 5
154. Carlsbad KO (Kuperman & O’Loughlin) 5
154. Cleveland RJ (Rosen & Janowski) 5
154. Granite Bay MM (Clare Moore & Grace Moore) 5
154. Independent CS (Chaudhary & Sandhoefner) 5
154. Irvington DD (Dhinakaran & Dhinakaran) 5
154. Irvington KL (Kaushik & Lingampalli) 5
154. James Logan ZC (Zhang & Chen) 5
154. Milpitas NT (Trinh & Nguyen) 5
154. Monterey Trail RM (Richard & Gamboa) 5
154. Oaks Christian MP (Matthews & Philips) 5
154. Palos Verdes MW (Moore & White) 5
154. Santa Rosa DW (Dolan & Waaland) 5
154. Sonoma Academy MB (Maciorowski & Bottari) 5
154. West Ranch MH (Morgan & Hart) 5
154. Windsor CV (Colburn & Valenzuela) 5
154. Windward SG (Siegel & Gooding) 5
171. Carlsbad MR (Maldi & Rohring) 4.5
171. Clash BV (Browatzke & Vehrs) 4.5
171. El Cerrito AT (Akpan & Terman) 4.5
171. Irvington DG (Dhinakaran & Gill) 4.5
171. Irvington KR (Krishna & Reddy) 4.5
171. James Logan RW (Recinto & Wong) 4.5
171. Leland HL (Hu & Loftis) 4.5
171. Marlborough KK (Kang & Kasten) 4.5
171. Mountain View MR (Morgan & Ruehle) 4.5
171. Notre Dame LZ (Lan & Zambo) 4.5
171. Prospect LS (Latta & Sirinivasan) 4.5
171. Prospect NL (Nguyen & Latta) 4.5
183. Analy CN (Cotherman & Noe) 4
183. Bishop ODowd AZ (Anderson & Zepeda) 4
183. Bishop ODowd WC (Walsh & Crosby) 4
183. Claremont AC (Ali & Cusic) 4
183. Clash TS (Tcheau & Soiland) 4
183. Dougherty Valley AL (Abueg & Ling Soh) 4
183. Granite Bay AT (Asokan & Tom) 4
183. Los Gatos DA (Doyle & Adam) 4
183. Lynbrook PK (Parthasarathy & Kandalam) 4
183. Manchester Essex MR (Martz & Rodier) 4
183. Mira Loma RL (Ryabov & Liu) 4
183. Mountain View LH (Leybzon & Holton) 4
183. Peninsula CG (Choi & Gianvecchio) 4
183. Peninsula KS (Kang & Silvano) 4
183. San Marino HW (Hu & Wei) 4
183. Saratoga TZ (Taggarsi & Zhang) 4
183. Shady Side CC (Cao & Costa) 4
183. Stockdale KM (Kannappan & Munoz) 4
183. Washington CC (Chung & Chaus) 4
183. Wilton SC (Schaefer & Clifford) 4
203. Ashland AC (Jericho Apollo & Kelsey Cronin) 3.5
203. Ashland AP (C. Alstrom & Fielding Picton) 3.5
203. Forest Grove SB (Ian Schlegel & Luke Berdahl) 3.5
203. Lincoln SA (Lukas Schwab & Carmen Alfaro) 3.5
203. Willamette JS (Annie Jernberg & Andrew Sechrist) 3.5
208. Bishop ODowd AV (Anderson & Vegis) 3
208. Bishop ODowd CP (G. Carson & Perl) 3
208. Burbank JS (Jun & Sepanyan) 3
208. Chaminade OW (Oblea & Wright) 3
208. Claremont DM (Davis & Maine) 3
208. Cleveland RR (Revello & Rosen) 3
208. Cleveland SR (Sandin & Ross) 3
208. Cypress DP (Dickinson & Park) 3
208. Honor Academy KS (Kimm & Shibuyaa) 3
208. James Logan RS (Rook & Sugino-Sue) 3
208. Narbonne GA (Guzman & Alquitran) 3
208. North Hollywood MO (Magana & Ohayon) 3
208. Oaks Christian HS (Hanken & Smith) 3
208. Peninsula KE (Klose & Enders) 3
208. Peninsula RW (Razi & Wong) 3
208. Peninsula VM (Vezina & Mousavi) 3
208. SOCES VS (Vuong & Semon) 3
208. Southridge FM (Fragga & Marrott) 3
208. Westview BW (Bhatt & Want) 3
227. Analy AB (Alameida & Burns) 1.5
227. Analy BP (Berls & Pinna) 1.5
227. Bishop ODowd SR (Seideman & Reynes) 1.5
227. Bishop ODowd ZP (Zepeda & Perl) 1.5
227. Dougherty Valley GS (Ganesh & Sharan) 1.5
227. Dougherty Valley HP (Hua & Patil) 1.5
227. Irvington MD (Mayilvahanan & Dara) 1.5
227. Irvington RD (Reddy & Dhinikaran) 1.5
227. Las Lomas HD (Herro & Dec) 1.5
227. Livermore DH (Dec & Herro) 1.5
227. Maria Carillo GH (Gallagher & Horner) 1.5
227. Maria Carillos GS (Gibson & Schwartz) 1.5
227. Miramonte BA (Bahramipour & Asadi) 1.5
227. Miramonte HB (Hasanain & Bata) 1.5
227. Miramonte HK (Han & Kirk) 1.5
227. Miramonte MH (McDonald & Henry) 1.5
227. Miramonte TC (Ting & Conklin) 1.5
227. San Marin RR (Rasmussen & Rai) 1.5
227. Santa Rosa RG (Rogers & Glynn) 1.5
227. Sonoma Academy PN (Pope & Nolan) 1.5
227. Windsor TG (Tocchini & Gabel) 1.5
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non-breaking 4-2 is 3 points I think
Ya I was just wondering because of the fact that there were around 33 teams at Pepperdine and there were 9 non-breaking 4-2′s.
Half the Pepperdine field were novices, pulled up to the open division. If you look at the packet, teams like Jefferson HS (which entered only novice), for example, got beaten up on by real Varsity teams. If you take out the ‘gimme’ wins on those teams, 4-2 becomes much less impressive.
At Prospect, we did mix up our teams mid-season: Prospect Nguyen-Latta is now Prospect Srinivasan-Latta and Prospect Mittal-Nguyen, among other changes. How does this affect the rankings, other than making things unnecessarily confusing (our apologies)?
Don’t worry about that, partnerships switch up all the time (In my junior year, I scored POI points with 4 different partners…).
At the moment, we treat all separate partnerships as completely different teams. Towards the end of the year, we will create the complete rankings, which will include individual standings within the team standings (check out last year’s results to see how that works).
Thanks to Mr. Morris for updating this with great alacrity.
Points DETAILS reflecting Stanford are up. The rankings for teams and schools will follow shortly.
POI Rankings have been updated completely with the results from Stanford. As always, if you suspect there is an error, please notify us via a comment.
Congratulations to the 5 teams currently automatically qualified for the California Cup: Los Gatos SG, Windsor FJ, Bishop O’Dowd CD, Mira Loma ML, & Saratoga AC.
Can the Windsor Invitational not include [what I believe are not well conceived] pop culture and metaphorical resolutions?
And, please, Windsor, learn from the mistakes of Stanford?
Do not give STUPID “pretend-to-be-value” resolutions like these from 2 years ago:
Knowledge should be valued over belief.
Pretty please do not tarnish the name of Parli more.
Come on, all these stupid resolutions just give more weight to rhetoric and pretty talk and further devalue real research and analytical argumentation. Maybe the Windsor parli teams are better at the former, but please do not forget everything discussed on the past several threads, throw it out the window, and resort to stupid resolutional-making.
The coach of Windsor: I know you approved the Stanford resolutions. Learn from their failures.
Please be constructive (and hopefully objective) with your criticism…calling things stupid twice in a post doesn’t lend you much credence as an advocate for your position. I also felt the tone was vaguely threatening…you might want to avoid that in the future.
Mr. St.-Amant read the POI discussion that resulted after the Stanford tournament and has undoubtedly taken the opinions of the Parli community into account. This, however, doesn’t mean you’ll be seeing all policy resolutions, nor will metaphorical resolutions be necessarily abolished entirely (some people still like those resolutions!).
I am in agreement with Mr. Morris. While this site does offer a public forum to voice criticism regarding all things parli, the tone of the criticism has, at times, become personal and insulting (as well as anonymous).
As for lobbing insults at Windsor, come on. Windsor’s Fauss & Jeffrey won UOP, a very policy-heavy invitational and came in second at MLK (a tournament very similar to Stanford in terms of resolutions). Their consistency speaks more to talent and adaptability than a proclivity for a specific type of resolution.
While I do not agree with the tone of “Lol,” he does have a point. The resolutions are increasingly becoming “dumbed down” and not very well-constructed, imho.
Will the suggestions in the previous few threads be heeded when making resolutions for future parli tournaments… or will the status quo be maintained…?
I–although not entirely approving of “Spiderman is better than Batman”–am against the idea of taking away of either metaphorical or value motion, they give both sides a more educational debate since it provides both the burden to think on their feet, not use prepared cases or be entirely evidence heavy…. that’d be policy.
Just a note (this may be stating the obvious): If we don’t get packets from Squals, we will not be able to give POI points for those tournaments.
So far, we only have results from TCFL.
Squals that have already happened whose results packets we need: OCSL, CBSR, SDIVSL.
Upcoming Squals: GGSA*, CVFL*, SCDL, CFL, WBFL.
Unsure of status: YFL, KRFL.
*We are anticipating that GGSA and CVFL will post results through the JOT website.
Points for state quals are constant:
7 for qualifying
5 for immediate alternates (Go-Round)
3 for distant alternates (one before Go-Round)
Just
quick question- my partner and I (Oaks Christian RY) had 8.3 POI points prior to this most recent update. There was a two point discrepancy (we were incorrectly listed as losing quarters at Pepperdine), and we were immediate qualifiers for the most recent Squals tournament. According to this information, we should have at least 15.3 points (8.3 + 5 + 2). Why is it that we only have 11.875 points? Clarification would be much appreciated
sorry, immediate alternates*
@Rebbe
Your points will be modified at the next update. However, utilizing our diminishing returns formula, your total will be as follows based upon your performance at Pepperdine, state qualifier, and Stanford:
6 + (5 x .95) + (4.5 * .65) = 13.675
I writing up the revised Points Details right now. The ranking will be updated after WBFL and GGSA quals are finished.
I don’t know where I’d post this, and I know there has been previous discussion on the fact, but currently, my partner and I are on track to qualify for this tournament. However, the California Cup falls exactly on the Saturday of my school’s (along with MANY other schools’) prom. It also conflicts with many college admit weekends. I really, really want to go to the California Cup, and I was wondering if there was any possibility of it changing (either weekends, which would be hard, or changing days). If it could even be made on a Sunday/Monday ordeal, I’m sure everyone would still go, and it would allow those of us with conflicts on that Saturday. Thanks for any consideration!
Not to be taken the wrong way or anything, but shouldn’t the two teams that closed out scu2 get 12 points each instead of 13.5? My reasoning was that it’s a similar concept to walkovers–splitting the points (in this case, the 3 points awarded to champion gets divided by half)
^Agreed. We’ll make the change.
I thought that looked too generous! That’s fine with me.
When will rankings from Cal Cup be factored in? And will Oregon state results be added?
We’ll probably just update the rankings once after this weekend’s state tournament.
And we’ll definitely include Oregon state results if we can receive the packet.
I’m assuming CSUF results from this weekend aren’t going to be factored in?
CSUF will definitely be factored in as well.
When will rankings be updated?
?
As soon as we have time. We don’t get paid to do this, and it takes a long time to tabulate it all.
^ y’all should unionize.
That is no excuse Ben. Please remember that your only job in life is to respond to POI requests. Everything else is (your social life, school,family, etc.) is irrelevant when POI tabulating is required.
Fair warning – next person to talk about unionizing will be banned.
DOWN WITH THE THORPE/ARTEM MACHINE OF OPPRESSION! VIVA LA POI REVOLUCION
Looks awesome! Thanks for updating. Just wondering, would it be possible to change the titleto include “National”, especially since non-cali teams are ranked high! Perhaps a “2011-2012 POI National Rankings”?
Agreed! After all, we’re trying to expand POI onto the national stage, right?
no disrespect, but who are “1. Los Gatos SG (Silverman & Gilbert) 49.775″?
i’ve never heard of them. did they debate last year?