My information came from an email from a TVFL coach who was at the CHSSA meeting where the amendment was passed. I can forward it to you if you need confirmation, Mr. St. Amant.
Congrats on sleuthing this out so quickly as this amendment wasn’t on the agenda for the May 7 CHSSA meeting but was apparently introduced, passed and approved for implementation ASAP. Now perhaps other tournaments will also allow computers in Parli prep. Should be fun to see how this plays out…
Thank you for the above information. If i really wanted to get into Stanford, is there anyway possible I could get my team into the tournament eventhough the deadline has passed?
My team from pepperdine (OaksChristian RY) defeated Simivalley gm. This is posted incorrectly in the quarter final round and made it to the Semis. Could you please make this correction in your rankings?
With that in mind:
Oaks Christian RY should have 10.275 points, moving them into 28th on the rankings.
Simi Valley GM should have 4 points.
This will be reflected in the next round of updates to the rankings (after Windsor and Squals). We hope the revised totals (not integrated into the rankings yet) will be adequate for now.
Thank you, Benjamin, for your recognition of this point error. It is indeed adequate if the points are integrated after Squals, as long as they are factored in at some point. Thanks again for your time and consideration.
Who would go to a tournament that late in the season? Most schools’ seasons will be over before then anyways. And rescheduling the tournament because there is a “rumored pofo tournament” destroys the legitimacy of your new tournament. Id recommend you keep april 8. What is this mysterious new pofo tournament..?
Debater, you make a good point. However, April 8th does not work for our coach, who will be in Oregon at the time. Furthermore, due to other school activities taking place, we wouldn’t be able to host as many debaters as we would like. Finally, that day is Easter Sunday, which would inconvenience a large number of debaters.
I agree that late May is inconvenient for many. We chose this day because A) it does not conflict with any known tournaments in the area (states and calicup have occupied the late April slots) and B) it does not conflict with AP testing or AP test prep weekends.
Thanks for your input, though. I agree that hosting a tournament that late in the year has its risks. However, is everyone averse to a season-ending tournament (before Nats for PoFo, that is)? Send us your input before we finalize a date. Thanks!
as in the preliminary rankings before any tournaments take place? correct me if i’m wrong but i remember there being rankings somewhere around august/september last year
It’s after the CaliCup, but I guess POI will still factor it in to the rankings…also, our last tournament counted for NFL points so it’s safe to assume that this upcoming one will as well.
I think we have enough schools interested to finalize the date as May 19—I’ll run that by the tournament director before emailing POI and contacting JOT to set up “official” notices and registration.
Just out of curiosity, PuFo people out there: a) why are you even here, and b) would you prefer the April rez or the Nats rez? Parli gets the resolution badassery of Thomas Belesiu (SCU1′s guy).
Prospect’s Hays Invitational is finalized for May 19. Registration will begin on Joy of Tournaments tomorrow.
There will be Open Parli and Novice Parli–unless more people express interest/register for Novice Public Forum, it will be folded into a single Public Forum division.
Is there any more information available for that “Race for the California Cup” in September? Is that just an open invitational at Bishop O’ Dowd where any teams can compete or is it only for the teams that attended TOC this year?
Who from POI will be at NFL Nationals this year (in Extemp, PoFo, Congress…)? ND’s Prerana Vaddi was named a Student of the Year finalist, so even though she didn’t qual in Extemp, they are allowing her to compete in Impromptu (which is her better event anyway). Anyone else going to be there? She wants to watch rounds.
Partner and I have decided to delve into Parli after stints in Extemp and Impromptu. Interested in knowing deeper techniques involved in the event, such as ”picks” and ”perms”, apart from the basic values, etc. Where would be a good place to get some quick knowledge on that?
The wikipedia page for policy debate has great explanations for PICs and perms. If you’re looking into how to specifically run something, a google search of “_____ debate” should give you a few word docs from policy or LD with shells and cards, which should show the instances where it’s appropriate to run something.
Just remember that parli is a hodgepodge of policy and LD.
Adam and I will be in Indianapolis this summer, I’ll be in the Senate, and he’ll be in the House. Hope to see you there! I also echo your question, who else is going to be there?
Once again, the powers that be at the NFL decided to host nationals during my finals week, so I will not be there. But if you’re doing Congress, you may see a certain tall Indian kid getting marching orders over the phone…
Thoughts on the expansion of Parliamentary Debate at the high school level:
Directly lobbying the NFL is unlikely to do any good, there isn’t enough interest nationwide to warrant the extra logistical challenge of adding another event.
There are currently small areas of the country with substantial interest in parliamentary debate, but in most areas the event is not practiced or known whatsoever.
How do we change this? I would contend that lobbying state-level forensics associations would be somewhat difficult. They tend to be very bureaucratic and slow to change (maybe I’m just speaking for CHSSA). But somehow, the event still needs to get out there.
So here’s the plan: POI should approach mid-to-large size invitational tournaments outside the state of California and offer to run divisions of parliamentary debate at these tournaments. Ideally, the PD division would be run alongside the IE panel (if there is one), to entice debaters to do Parli in addition to their main debate event.
I think we should continue this discussion on the post I made, since most of the people discussing it were on there.
I haven’t dealt with CHSSA but I do think that consolidation in Cali should be the first priority, because this is where we have the most influence.
A few items on the agenda, then.
1. Can we create a set of proposals that all the Cali parli coaches can agree on? Given that we have a large chunk of the community here, we should be able to vote on said reforms at whatever CHSSA meeting exists for this purpose.
2. We need to clean house with big cali invites.
The ones that I think are problematic include: Stanford, MLK, Windsor (to a lesser extent), Fullerton? Am I missing anything?
So we need to
a) agree on a set of changes
b) agree on some way to get whoever runs them to agree to those changes.
I do think that the out of state approach is cool too, but I don’t know where we’d get the money to cover travel and all that, plus it’s hard to say “cali parli is great, you should do it too” if our own house is a mess. I’m not opposed to that idea too, though.
ASU offered parli last year and this year (they even linked to POI), but it seems that they didn’t get enough interest to actually have a parli division http://www.joyoftournaments.com/az/asu/info.asp?p=4
Notre Dame Ahmed-Lan BYE
Aff Leland Nguyen Wu over Leland Leland Kang Tseng
Aff Los Gatos Silverman Gilbert vs Leland Yun Chen
MVLA Leybzon Holton vs Los Gatos Zhang Frankle
Aff Velamuri Sathe vs Gunn Patou Atlas
Aff Evergreen Khan Park vs Saratoga Agrawal Chiang
Non-advancing 3-2s
Deghuee Sonkowsky
Morgan Parmar
Chriaev Chacko
Tallapragada Subramani
Yang Ong
1. Presidential drone strikes against American citizens are morally justified.
2. The US federal government should significantly raise the federal minimum wage.
3. On balance, the US has been a positive force in the Arab Spring.
4. The US federal government should create a path to citizenship for most or all undocumented immigrants.
5. The US federal government should approve the construction of the Keystone XL Pipeline.
Finals. The US federal government should arm the Syrian rebels.
My information came from an email from a TVFL coach who was at the CHSSA meeting where the amendment was passed. I can forward it to you if you need confirmation, Mr. St. Amant.
Congrats on sleuthing this out so quickly as this amendment wasn’t on the agenda for the May 7 CHSSA meeting but was apparently introduced, passed and approved for implementation ASAP. Now perhaps other tournaments will also allow computers in Parli prep. Should be fun to see how this plays out…
Which Tournaments qualify for POI points? And which tournaments are left for this season?
All tournaments except for league tournaments (STATE QUALS DO COUNT) get POI points, as long as somebody submits the results to us.
Stanford, Windsor, possibly another Prospect?, SCU2, Calcup, Squals, and State are the remaining Parli tournaments of the year.
Thank you for the above information. If i really wanted to get into Stanford, is there anyway possible I could get my team into the tournament eventhough the deadline has passed?
There’s a chance they’d still let you in, you should email them ASAP
My team from pepperdine (OaksChristian RY) defeated Simivalley gm. This is posted incorrectly in the quarter final round and made it to the Semis. Could you please make this correction in your rankings?
Barry Fike
Coach
With that in mind:
Oaks Christian RY should have 10.275 points, moving them into 28th on the rankings.
Simi Valley GM should have 4 points.
This will be reflected in the next round of updates to the rankings (after Windsor and Squals). We hope the revised totals (not integrated into the rankings yet) will be adequate for now.
Thank you, Benjamin, for your recognition of this point error. It is indeed adequate if the points are integrated after Squals, as long as they are factored in at some point. Thanks again for your time and consideration.
Joey Rebbe
Member of Oaks Christian RY
Are there any tournaments on May 19th that would conflict with a [postponed] Prospect tournament in California?
Anything going on in the college circuit either (some available flow judges)?
The new date is due to a rumored PoFo tournament on April 6-7.
Who would go to a tournament that late in the season? Most schools’ seasons will be over before then anyways. And rescheduling the tournament because there is a “rumored pofo tournament” destroys the legitimacy of your new tournament. Id recommend you keep april 8. What is this mysterious new pofo tournament..?
Debater, you make a good point. However, April 8th does not work for our coach, who will be in Oregon at the time. Furthermore, due to other school activities taking place, we wouldn’t be able to host as many debaters as we would like. Finally, that day is Easter Sunday, which would inconvenience a large number of debaters.
I agree that late May is inconvenient for many. We chose this day because A) it does not conflict with any known tournaments in the area (states and calicup have occupied the late April slots) and B) it does not conflict with AP testing or AP test prep weekends.
Thanks for your input, though. I agree that hosting a tournament that late in the year has its risks. However, is everyone averse to a season-ending tournament (before Nats for PoFo, that is)? Send us your input before we finalize a date. Thanks!
i would definitely go to a prospect tournament, especially if you guys would consider factoring it into poi rankings
all invites count for POI Rankings
are the initial POI rankings for next year just carried over from the end of this year?
no, we start over each season
as in the preliminary rankings before any tournaments take place? correct me if i’m wrong but i remember there being rankings somewhere around august/september last year
I don’t think the first rankings appeared this year until after Santa Clara. There are no preliminary rankings since there’s no data available.
It’s after the CaliCup, but I guess POI will still factor it in to the rankings…also, our last tournament counted for NFL points so it’s safe to assume that this upcoming one will as well.
I think we have enough schools interested to finalize the date as May 19—I’ll run that by the tournament director before emailing POI and contacting JOT to set up “official” notices and registration.
Just out of curiosity, PuFo people out there: a) why are you even here, and b) would you prefer the April rez or the Nats rez? Parli gets the resolution badassery of Thomas Belesiu (SCU1′s guy).
This was a fantastic season. Does POI do end of the season awards? Who do you think are the top 5 1st speakers? How about the top 5 2nd speakers?
Was the Prospect Invitational tournament finalized? If so, is the PF division varsity/what were the finalized dates?
Prospect Invitational is set for May 19th. But i have no other information.
Prospect’s Hays Invitational is finalized for May 19. Registration will begin on Joy of Tournaments tomorrow.
There will be Open Parli and Novice Parli–unless more people express interest/register for Novice Public Forum, it will be folded into a single Public Forum division.
Contact me if you have any questions at prospectdebate@gmail.com!
When will the Prospect info be up on JOT?
On behalf of our entire bureaucracy, I’d like to apologize for the delay getting the Hays information online.
However, it’s finally online at http://www.joyoftournaments.com/ca/prospect-spring/
See y’all there!
Is there any more information available for that “Race for the California Cup” in September? Is that just an open invitational at Bishop O’ Dowd where any teams can compete or is it only for the teams that attended TOC this year?
Who from POI will be at NFL Nationals this year (in Extemp, PoFo, Congress…)? ND’s Prerana Vaddi was named a Student of the Year finalist, so even though she didn’t qual in Extemp, they are allowing her to compete in Impromptu (which is her better event anyway). Anyone else going to be there? She wants to watch rounds.
Partner and I have decided to delve into Parli after stints in Extemp and Impromptu. Interested in knowing deeper techniques involved in the event, such as ”picks” and ”perms”, apart from the basic values, etc. Where would be a good place to get some quick knowledge on that?
The wikipedia page for policy debate has great explanations for PICs and perms. If you’re looking into how to specifically run something, a google search of “_____ debate” should give you a few word docs from policy or LD with shells and cards, which should show the instances where it’s appropriate to run something.
Just remember that parli is a hodgepodge of policy and LD.
It’s spelled “PIC,” not “pick.” It’s an acronym for “plan-inclusive counterplan.”
I hope you find our Resources section useful. The parli handbook (http://www.pointofinformation.org/files/resources/parli-handbook/) is the introduction for novices; for more advanced concepts I’d particularly recommend the 4 “tech” links (http://www.pointofinformation.org/resources/links/)
@Sarah McGuinn
Adam and I will be in Indianapolis this summer, I’ll be in the Senate, and he’ll be in the House. Hope to see you there! I also echo your question, who else is going to be there?
I’ll be joining Christina in the senate
Once again, the powers that be at the NFL decided to host nationals during my finals week, so I will not be there. But if you’re doing Congress, you may see a certain tall Indian kid getting marching orders over the phone…
Any word on the creation of a 2012-2013 recognized tournament list?
Also, has anyone seen or heard of the dates for SCUI or SCUII? Perhaps Armand could share insider information on that?
Further google-ing has returned this website for the SCU Fall HS invitational. The SEO on that site is tragic; it took very specific search parameters to unearth this. Link: https://www.tabroom.com/index/tourn/index.mhtml?tourn_id=1539
email mjaich@scu.edu
I mainly use POI to look up old resolutions, do you think that the “List of Past Resolutions” could be added to the sidebar under “Featured Pages”?
Is anyone’s prom on April 27?
Thoughts on the expansion of Parliamentary Debate at the high school level:
Directly lobbying the NFL is unlikely to do any good, there isn’t enough interest nationwide to warrant the extra logistical challenge of adding another event.
There are currently small areas of the country with substantial interest in parliamentary debate, but in most areas the event is not practiced or known whatsoever.
How do we change this? I would contend that lobbying state-level forensics associations would be somewhat difficult. They tend to be very bureaucratic and slow to change (maybe I’m just speaking for CHSSA). But somehow, the event still needs to get out there.
So here’s the plan: POI should approach mid-to-large size invitational tournaments outside the state of California and offer to run divisions of parliamentary debate at these tournaments. Ideally, the PD division would be run alongside the IE panel (if there is one), to entice debaters to do Parli in addition to their main debate event.
Thoughts? Counterplans?
I think we should continue this discussion on the post I made, since most of the people discussing it were on there.
I haven’t dealt with CHSSA but I do think that consolidation in Cali should be the first priority, because this is where we have the most influence.
A few items on the agenda, then.
1. Can we create a set of proposals that all the Cali parli coaches can agree on? Given that we have a large chunk of the community here, we should be able to vote on said reforms at whatever CHSSA meeting exists for this purpose.
2. We need to clean house with big cali invites.
The ones that I think are problematic include: Stanford, MLK, Windsor (to a lesser extent), Fullerton? Am I missing anything?
So we need to
a) agree on a set of changes
b) agree on some way to get whoever runs them to agree to those changes.
I do think that the out of state approach is cool too, but I don’t know where we’d get the money to cover travel and all that, plus it’s hard to say “cali parli is great, you should do it too” if our own house is a mess. I’m not opposed to that idea too, though.
ASU offered parli last year and this year (they even linked to POI), but it seems that they didn’t get enough interest to actually have a parli division
http://www.joyoftournaments.com/az/asu/info.asp?p=4
CFL state quals finals
Notre Dame Ahmed-Lan BYE
Aff Leland Nguyen Wu over Leland Leland Kang Tseng
Aff Los Gatos Silverman Gilbert vs Leland Yun Chen
MVLA Leybzon Holton vs Los Gatos Zhang Frankle
Aff Velamuri Sathe vs Gunn Patou Atlas
Aff Evergreen Khan Park vs Saratoga Agrawal Chiang
Non-advancing 3-2s
Deghuee Sonkowsky
Morgan Parmar
Chriaev Chacko
Tallapragada Subramani
Yang Ong
1. Presidential drone strikes against American citizens are morally justified.
2. The US federal government should significantly raise the federal minimum wage.
3. On balance, the US has been a positive force in the Arab Spring.
4. The US federal government should create a path to citizenship for most or all undocumented immigrants.
5. The US federal government should approve the construction of the Keystone XL Pipeline.
Finals. The US federal government should arm the Syrian rebels.
http://www.joyoftournaments.com/tx/rangerhsparli/info.asp?p=1
2013 Texas Parliamentary Debate Championship
Check it out
That’s great to see, but I highly doubt that schedule goes according to plan.
I’m sure there will be a separate thread for this, but where are high school seniors going to college?
The Texas Tournament was cancelled